Maybe I'm just not imaginative enough, but I don't imagine myself relying on a digital device in order to prove my identity in foreign countries. Drop your phone and break it... then what do you do? And yeah, you can lose your physical passport, but you can also repeatedly stomp on it and even submerge it in water and it will still be useful.
Instead of stomping on your passport, grab a $30 passport card, useful for ID in non-border contexts abroad (other countries tend to have card shaped national IDs that a passport card can stand in for). No real issues if you lose it; nobody can get into the USA with it, and you can leave your passport in your hotel room
I'm not sure what it actually means. For instance Apple Pay is probably not supposed to replace your actual credit card, but if you can live your life without ever using the physical one, that's just legalese.
If it really doesn't do much (i.e. only help to pass TSA lines), then perhaps it should be called something else. If it effectively can act as a passport in 80%+ more situations, "not a replacement for xxxx" will just be legalese for most users.
Yeah I purely care about whether or not this will get me through TSA. I'm against Apple Pay and all that, but I really don't want to carry (=risk losing) my physical passport just for domestic travel.
I added my US passport to my Pixel's wallet app in June. It's neat and let's you see what data is transmitted over NFC, and lists some details about the signed certificate for the data (seems they do only 2 weeks of validity for each cert signature, and the app fetches a new sig automatically) but I have yet to come across TSA agents advertising acceptance of digital IDs, so typically I default to my passport card.
> Considering REAL ID is not sufficient for DHS or ICE, I highly doubt it.
You can get a real id without being a citizen so it shouldn't be used as proof of citizenship.
From the California DMV site:
> Any Californian who can prove their current legal presence in the United States (U.S.) with one of the accepted identity documents (original or certified copy) is eligible to receive a REAL ID driver license or identification (DL/ID) card. This includes all U.S. citizens, permanent residents who are not U.S. citizens (Green Card holders), and those with temporary legal status, such as recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) or Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and holders of a valid student or employment visa.
REAL ID was never intended to be a citizen ID card. It's really just an extension of state IDs to have better identity verification by requiring more documents. The goal is that if someone has a REAL ID, then that's really who they are.
First step on the path to signing everything you write on the internet with your government issued digital ID.
Be careful what you give up in the name of convenience.
Maybe I'm just not imaginative enough, but I don't imagine myself relying on a digital device in order to prove my identity in foreign countries. Drop your phone and break it... then what do you do? And yeah, you can lose your physical passport, but you can also repeatedly stomp on it and even submerge it in water and it will still be useful.
Instead of stomping on your passport, grab a $30 passport card, useful for ID in non-border contexts abroad (other countries tend to have card shaped national IDs that a passport card can stand in for). No real issues if you lose it; nobody can get into the USA with it, and you can leave your passport in your hotel room
The article says this is not a replacement for physical passport.
I'm not sure what it actually means. For instance Apple Pay is probably not supposed to replace your actual credit card, but if you can live your life without ever using the physical one, that's just legalese.
If it really doesn't do much (i.e. only help to pass TSA lines), then perhaps it should be called something else. If it effectively can act as a passport in 80%+ more situations, "not a replacement for xxxx" will just be legalese for most users.
Yeah I purely care about whether or not this will get me through TSA. I'm against Apple Pay and all that, but I really don't want to carry (=risk losing) my physical passport just for domestic travel.
You can use a Real ID drivers license for domestic travel, passport is only required when leaving the country.
I don't have a Real ID just cause I don't want to deal with getting one. Was banking on it getting delayed repeatedly until they offer something else.
Not useful for much in the real world, but extremely useful for online age verification.
I added my US passport to my Pixel's wallet app in June. It's neat and let's you see what data is transmitted over NFC, and lists some details about the signed certificate for the data (seems they do only 2 weeks of validity for each cert signature, and the app fetches a new sig automatically) but I have yet to come across TSA agents advertising acceptance of digital IDs, so typically I default to my passport card.
Will DHS and ICE consider them valid proof of citizenship? I’d really like that confirmed.
Considering REAL ID is not sufficient for DHS or ICE, I highly doubt it.
> Apple says it is not a replacement for a physical passport, and it cannot be used for international travel and border crossing purposes.
I'd read that as you're still expected to produce physical documents if you get questioned.
> Considering REAL ID is not sufficient for DHS or ICE, I highly doubt it.
You can get a real id without being a citizen so it shouldn't be used as proof of citizenship.
From the California DMV site:
> Any Californian who can prove their current legal presence in the United States (U.S.) with one of the accepted identity documents (original or certified copy) is eligible to receive a REAL ID driver license or identification (DL/ID) card. This includes all U.S. citizens, permanent residents who are not U.S. citizens (Green Card holders), and those with temporary legal status, such as recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) or Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and holders of a valid student or employment visa.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-licenses-identification...
REAL ID was never intended to be a citizen ID card. It's really just an extension of state IDs to have better identity verification by requiring more documents. The goal is that if someone has a REAL ID, then that's really who they are.